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| PMV-07 Stockholm-Sweden 15.-16.12.2007 /Tukholma Ruotsi | |
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+8Tanya Kristiina Teerikorpi virginia LauraP Miia Jude irma Elsy-V.E.S. 12 posters | Author | Message |
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Elsy-V.E.S.
Number of posts : 297 Localisation : www.ves.fi Registration date : 2007-11-12
| Subject: PMV-07 Stockholm-Sweden 15.-16.12.2007 /Tukholma Ruotsi Fri Dec 14 2007, 17:36 | |
| This is the topic from Sweden (Stockholm) from the show 15.-16.12.2007. Anyone can be sent the first results from the Show there in Sweden!!! And the photos if there is anyone how can take them... please sent for us... :laie: :laie: :laie: :laie: :laie: Best Wishes: | |
| | | irma
Number of posts : 1044 Registration date : 2006-12-20
| Subject: Re: PMV-07 Stockholm-Sweden 15.-16.12.2007 /Tukholma Ruotsi Sat Dec 15 2007, 13:52 | |
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| | | irma
Number of posts : 1044 Registration date : 2006-12-20
| Subject: Re: PMV-07 Stockholm-Sweden 15.-16.12.2007 /Tukholma Ruotsi Sat Dec 15 2007, 16:56 | |
| Ryhmassa ei mitaan viela talla kertaa, mutta sekin aika tulee viela. Saan illemmalla muiden osallistujien listan handlereineen. No group placement this time, but that day will be also one day. :applause2: Briljant work Tanya, Terhi and Tintti and Topy 4 hard Ts ( Tanya, Terhi, Tintti and Topy) NOW, who will be number 5- T but also my great friend Virginia :applause2: you make such a big work with all this too. Virginias Polognese got also junior Winner 2007 title on this show... But she want to write all by herself soon as she can have time for it . I am soooooooo proud of my team, EVERY ONE OF YOU , in Sweden, Finland, USA, Estonia, Belgia, Germany Iceland, Czeckh, Isarael , China, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Sweden Norway and Danmark ... it is possible same an other coutries too ... Hyvaan pyritaan Priimaa pukkaa ... Fantastic Lotta and her offsprings on several geneations now . Irma and Inari | |
| | | Jude
Number of posts : 269 Age : 49 Localisation : Jyväskylä, Finland Registration date : 2006-12-26
| Subject: Re: PMV-07 Stockholm-Sweden 15.-16.12.2007 /Tukholma Ruotsi Sat Dec 15 2007, 17:18 | |
| FANTASTIC NEWS Congratulations to everyone involved in the victory And welcome Tanya to the group of tough T´s :team: | |
| | | Miia
Number of posts : 3 Registration date : 2007-03-26
| Subject: Re: PMV-07 Stockholm-Sweden 15.-16.12.2007 /Tukholma Ruotsi Sat Dec 15 2007, 17:36 | |
| Sainkin Terhiltä jo aiemmin päivällä iloisen puhelun Tukholmasta. ONNEA ONNEA ONNEA, kaikille omistajille ja tietenkin Topylle !! I want also wish huge congrats for handler-Tanya, well done!! | |
| | | LauraP
Number of posts : 140 Age : 33 Registration date : 2007-06-26
| Subject: Re: PMV-07 Stockholm-Sweden 15.-16.12.2007 /Tukholma Ruotsi Sat Dec 15 2007, 18:06 | |
| [b]WOOHOOOOOO!!!! I'm so happy! Topy is so beautiful dog! Our team rulez!!! | |
| | | virginia
Number of posts : 146 Registration date : 2007-07-08
| Subject: [b]Topy[/b] Sat Dec 15 2007, 18:26 | |
| We are so proud of Topy and Tanya for handling him to this wonderful win. Not many people know but Tanya had a bad accident a few days ago and she was badly burnt all down her leg and thigh with boiling water, and we didnt think she would be able to do this handling, so bravo Tanya AND BEFORE WE GET THE MOANS from other competitors, NO TANYA DID NOT KNOW THE JUDGE. Tanya has never shown under this judge before and has never met her before, in fact the judge was very suprised to discover she was English. Tanya's handling of Topy was planned some time ago and all we knew about the judge was that she likes a good terrier and a dog that moves well, as her Gp 3 placing in Amsterdam of a Silky a few weeks ago showed. Topy thoroughly deserved his win today, he moved so well. My new co-owned Bolognese puppy "Betty" aged 9 months also won her Nordic Junior Winner's title, so a good day. Well Irma Crufts will be a busy time with 3 top Silky males between us all to show !! Also we must not forget a very big thank you to Tinttii for all her help today in bringing Topy to Sweden and for her big part in all this, so 3 cheers for T, T, T, & T So now we are going out celebrating in Stockholm | |
| | | irma
Number of posts : 1044 Registration date : 2006-12-20
| Subject: Nordic Winner 2007 Bombix Moren Amron´s TopCopy Sat Dec 15 2007, 20:23 | |
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| | | Kristiina Teerikorpi
Number of posts : 457 Localisation : Moraga, California, U.S.A. Registration date : 2006-12-20
| | | | Tanya
Number of posts : 281 Registration date : 2007-08-01
| Subject: Re: PMV-07 Stockholm-Sweden 15.-16.12.2007 /Tukholma Ruotsi Sun Dec 16 2007, 00:45 | |
| Thank you so much for your wonderful messages, it means so much to be able to share this fantastic win with you all. What a wonderful time I had today, Topy is the most amazing mover, there is not a photo that could even come close to capturing the beauty of this special little boys movement! What a dream it was to be able to show this little star! I am so grateful to have been given this amazing opportunity to handle the little beauty, Topy you are a wonderful and special little boy and i will always hold fond memories of today! Thank you to Irma and Terhi for trusting me with your special little boy it has been an absolute pleasure, and i am so happy that he achieved such wonderful things today Your trust and support in me is so special and I thank you over and over again for this, I know just how important today was to you. Special thanks also to Tintti, for without you it wouldn't have been possible today to have Topy here to show, I was so pleased to meet you and Doris today, such lovely people that i am so glad to have as my firends, I look so forward to seeing you in MARCH! It is so lovely to have friends from all over the world that we can share our passion with, and to have friends that are genuine and sincere and that you can feel at home with Irma trust you to pick out the photo that looks like I am picking my nose!!!!! I know it is all about the dog, Topy looks beautiful, but I look like a snotty little 6 year old with my finger up my nose!!! but hey you can't have everything at least you don't have the one of me iching my bum (only joking, I didn't really!) Anyway what a fablous trip, I have really enjoyed it and to see my special friend Terhi, who always brings a smile to my face! Thank you again everybody and Auntie Irma, it means so much to me that I made you proud today, your happiness means the world to me Best wishes | |
| | | Linda Hart
Number of posts : 90 Registration date : 2007-07-31
| Subject: PMV-07 Stockholm-Sweden 15.-16.12.2007 /Tukholma Ruotsi Sun Dec 16 2007, 04:51 | |
| Tanya, I thought it was a great photo, and that you were wiping away a tear of joy from your eye! :lol!: Congrats to you and Irma, and all those who helped to make such a great win possible! A win such as that is even better when you can share it with great friends working together to make it happen. :5537: Congrats to you all!!
Linda Hart Kharah Silkys | |
| | | irma
Number of posts : 1044 Registration date : 2006-12-20
| Subject: Re: PMV-07 Stockholm-Sweden 15.-16.12.2007 /Tukholma Ruotsi Sun Dec 16 2007, 09:46 | |
| Dear Tanya, I thought just as Linda , and I prefer this photo because of Topy, the other photos Topy was too much left. Also the quality of photo was quite high. I found on photos more I like ... there are no photos that everyone like, so these are the best one I likes ... this last photo people was nicely... so take a look Tanya I know you just kidding. and I like these photos and that´s IT! Irma and Inari | |
| | | irma
Number of posts : 1044 Registration date : 2006-12-20
| Subject: Re: PMV-07 Stockholm-Sweden 15.-16.12.2007 /Tukholma Ruotsi Sun Dec 16 2007, 10:56 | |
| I am so proud all of you on the team. And it make me feel sooooo briljant because I can see HOW MUCH ALL OF YOU GIVE hard work for Bombix Moren. This make my so happy to note, there are briljant people near me, and what makes it more briljant people all over the world . so so so so much thanks to all of you ! Without all you and your kindly words this win is not what it is now, when I know you all are in this with all your hearts I can be always proud of my own work , but when other peoples is also proud of it is makes it feel soooooooo briljant!!!!!!!! Love Irma and Inari | |
| | | sigga
Number of posts : 121 Age : 37 Registration date : 2007-09-01
| Subject: Re: PMV-07 Stockholm-Sweden 15.-16.12.2007 /Tukholma Ruotsi Sun Dec 16 2007, 14:58 | |
| congratulations to you all... Topy is just a star that keeps on shining more and more.. i am so happy that i can "watch" you all and the hard work you all are doing with the dogs and it always comes out in good things and joy because this team is just the greatest i can not say it to often.. CONGRATULATIONS CONGRATULATIONS CONGRATULATIONS | |
| | | Kristiina Teerikorpi
Number of posts : 457 Localisation : Moraga, California, U.S.A. Registration date : 2006-12-20
| Subject: Re: PMV-07 Stockholm-Sweden 15.-16.12.2007 /Tukholma Ruotsi Sun Dec 16 2007, 16:33 | |
| Irma, Nobody deserves this kind of BIG WIN like You and your Great Team does!!! I am so proud of you all! This gives us hope, that there are Judges who really knows how the Silky Terrier should look like. Too often you can see too much and too long coats on Silkys. Silky Terrier should NOT look a like Yorkies. Unfortunately too many times you can see Judges put up the Silkys that looks like a GIANT Yorkies! Is this what we want???? NO NEVER!!!!!! Kristiina The future belongs to those who believe in the beauty of their dreams. Eleanor Roosevelt | |
| | | Elsy-V.E.S.
Number of posts : 297 Localisation : www.ves.fi Registration date : 2007-11-12
| Subject: Re: PMV-07 Stockholm-Sweden 15.-16.12.2007 /Tukholma Ruotsi Sun Dec 16 2007, 17:34 | |
| So Team Friends, post has been given :laie: and the results are wonderful!! so wonderful!!! CONGRATULATIONS FROM HERE TOO, TO TANYA AND TOBY!!! from Rose and the silkypuppy T :team: I knew that I can trust you friends there! This was so important show as you see!!!!!! THIS IS JUST BEGINNING...BECOUSE... Silkyteam is rolling now.....and remerber my "motto": "One for all and one for us..!!!! ":arc: | |
| | | terrific
Number of posts : 91 Age : 36 Registration date : 2006-12-20
| Subject: Re: PMV-07 Stockholm-Sweden 15.-16.12.2007 /Tukholma Ruotsi Fri Dec 21 2007, 13:20 | |
| What a weekend! Thank you everyone for your kind words. I'm over the moon about Topy's win, I'm so proud of him! This weekend was a great end to the shows in 2007 as the Nordic Winner show was the last show of the year. Thank you so much Irma for letting us have this special boy, I really appreciate it. This autumn I've really experienced the pleasure of watching other people, all of them have been my dear friends, going into the (either junior handling or breed) ring with Topy. The best thing is to see both the handler and dog enjoying what they are doing and coming out of the ring with a smile. And as we have a saying in Finland: "shared joy is the best joy", so thank you everyone who have been part of great moments this autumn, you will recognize yourselves! Thank you Tintti for the weekend and all your help and taking such a good care of Topy this autumn, none of these great results would be possible without you and I hope we've got a lot more showtrips coming together! Thank you Tanya and Gini for the great weekend, I really enjoyed myself and look forward to seeing you again in February! I'm so glad that you Tanya enjoyed handling my little boy and so pleased you, my special friend, achieved this great result with him. I look forward to all the things and trips that the incoming spring will bring to us! Mikä viikonloppu! Suuret kiitokset kaikille kauniista sanoista! Olen ikionnellinen Topyn voitosta ja todella ylpeä pojasta! Viikonloppu oli mahtava lopetus näyttelyvuodellemme 2007 PMV:n ollessa siis vuoden viimeinen näyttely. Tuhannet kiitokset Irmalle, että luotit Topyn käsiimme, arvostan sitä todella! Tänä syksynä olen todella oppinut ymmärtämään myös katsomisen ilon ja olen nauttinut, kun hyvät ystäväni ovat vieneet Topya junior handler ja rotukehissä. Parhainta on nähdä sekä handlerin että koiran nauttivan menosta ja menestyksen osuessa kohdalle sanonta "jaettu ilo on paras ilo" käy toteen. Kiitos kaikille, jotka ovat olleet osana vuoden 2007 upeita hetkiä mahdolliseksi, tunnistatte kyllä itsenne! Suuret kiitokset Tintille viikonlopusta, kaikesta avusta ja siitä, että olet pitänyt Topysta niin hyvää huolta koko syksyn. Mikään tänä syksynä tapahtunut ei olisi ehkä mahdollista ilman kaikkea korvaamatonta apuasi ja toivon, että ensi vuosi tuo tullessaan paljon yhteisiä näyttelymatkoja ja hienoja hetkiä. Suuret kiitokset Ginille ja Tanyalle mahtavasta viikonlopusta, odotan innolla jo helmikuuta! Tanya, olen onnellinen, että nautit Topyn kanssa kehässä olosta ja päivästä sujui hienosti. Kevättä, sen tuomia asioita ja matkoja odotellen | |
| | | terrific
Number of posts : 91 Age : 36 Registration date : 2006-12-20
| Subject: Re: PMV-07 Stockholm-Sweden 15.-16.12.2007 /Tukholma Ruotsi Fri Dec 21 2007, 13:57 | |
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| | | Elsy-V.E.S.
Number of posts : 297 Localisation : www.ves.fi Registration date : 2007-11-12
| Subject: Re: PMV-07 Stockholm-Sweden 15.-16.12.2007 /Tukholma Ruotsi Fri Dec 21 2007, 14:09 | |
| Hienoa Terhi! niin mainion kaunis kuva Tobysta että!!! Näkee tuosta linkin kuvasta että Toby oikein hymyilee tuossa kuvassa!!!WAU! Ja mikä ryhti! On niinkui patsas, paikallaan ja niin upea! Oli kiva kuulla että kaikin puolin pääsitte kotisuomeen vaikka tie ei ollut helppo Ruotsista asti takaisin tänne. Kaikin puolin tuo Ruotsin näyttely oli varmasti tiukka ja kokemusta tuli roppa kaupalla. Onneksi nyt kaikki on hyvin. Täällä oltiin mukana hengessä koko ajan! Lämpimin talviterveisin | |
| | | sigga
Number of posts : 121 Age : 37 Registration date : 2007-09-01
| Subject: Re: PMV-07 Stockholm-Sweden 15.-16.12.2007 /Tukholma Ruotsi Fri Dec 21 2007, 18:14 | |
| really nice photos of topy... he is sooo charming boy..
congratulations one more time.. i can not get enough saying that :cheekkiss1: | |
| | | irma
Number of posts : 1044 Registration date : 2006-12-20
| Subject: Re: PMV-07 Stockholm-Sweden 15.-16.12.2007 /Tukholma Ruotsi Sat Dec 22 2007, 08:55 | |
| Kristiina wrote - Quote :
- This gives us hope, that there are Judges who really knows how the Silky Terrier should look like. Too often you can see too much and too long coats on Silkys.
Silky Terrier should NOT look a like Yorkies. Unfortunately too many times you can see Judges put up the Silkys that looks like a GIANT Yorkies! Is this what we want???? NO NEVER!!!!!! Yes Kristiina you are soooo right. Good food or good care of coat is no excuse that a dog have too much and too long coat. We all serious breeders know that in our standars the coat must not look like Yorkies, unfortunality the judges are not taking this serious enought. It is very easy to hide things under the coat, as not good face or east west front leggs, also the judge cannot see the mistakes of the dogs movement under too much and too long coat. I know several Australian judges who have give yellow ribbon good, for too long and too much coat.. Kristiina olet todella oikeassa, silkkiterrierilla ei saa olla liikaa karvaa eika se saa olla liian pitkaa. Tassut on edelleen oltava nakyvissa ja niissa on oltava lyhyt karva - Quote :
- KARVAPEITE
KARVA: Karvapeitteen tulee olla litteä, karvan hienolaatuista, kiiltävää ja silkkis-tä. Karvapeite ei saa olla niin pitkä, että se haittaa koiran liikkumista, eikä se saa ulottua maahan asti. Käpälissä ei ole pitkää karvaa. Silkkiterrieri tulee nayttaa karvaltaan ja olemukseltaan silkkiterrierilta eika Yorkilta ikina. Toivoisi tuomarien kiinnittavan asiaan enemman huomiota. Tuossa lainauksessa on suomalainen versio siita Australialaisesta rotumaaritelmasta jota Suomikin noudattaa , mutta siita on jatetty pois sellainen maininta esim. etta karvan lapi pitaa nakya paivanvalo. Se on asia jolla maaritellaan ettei karvapeite saa olla liian runsas. Rotumaaritelmassa sanottu LITTEA, tuskin tarkoittaa suoristusraudoin litattua karvapeitetta, tosin niihan on nahty kehan reunalla tehtavan liian runsas turkkisille ja kiharakarvaisille koirille . Tosi asia on, etta todella oikea silkkilaatu ei kasva yhtapitkaksi ehka koskaan kuin sellainen karva joka on lahempana puuvilla laatua kuin silkkilaatua. Oikein oikea silkki kasvaa hitaasti ja se on aina litteaa , se myos kiiltaa ja tuntuu silkkiselta ja ilman mitaan suoristusrautoja tai tippoja karvassa. Tallaiset runsas karvaiset ja pitkaturkkiset koirat tuottavat myos villaisia jalkelaisia, joten kannattaa pentua valitessa olla erityisen tarkka valinnoissaan. Saksimisella saa toki oman koiransa ehka nayttamaan mahdollisimman oikealta, mutta onpa pettymys niille joiden kotiin tuleekin puuvillainen ja musta turkkinen koira , jolla ei ole nayttelymenestysta jos omistaja myohemmin innostuisikin nayttelysta. Onnekseni olen likimain paassyt puuvillaisista eroon, kokonaan silta tuskin koskaan valttyy, mutta siina vaiheessa kun jokaisessa pentueessa alkaa syntya puuvilla pentu on pakko ravistella itseaan ja miettia mihin onkaan menossa. Olen saanut vahan valia maailmalta kuvia ja kysymyksia turkeista. Saan paljon kuvia mustista puuvillaisista karvapalleroista, joille joudun yhta usein kertomaan etta puuvillaa mika puuvillaa, eika tule muuttumaan, vaikka monelle kuvan lahettajalle jotkut ovat jopa toista vaittaneet. Onhan se helpompaa tietenkin hoitaa nopeasti kasvavaa puuvillaisempaa turkkia kuin ohuen ohuttu aitoa silkkilankaa. Runsas turkki ja jos se on viela liian pitkaakin saa helposti piiloiteltua useita koiran virheita, jopa tietylla tavalla saksimalla saadaan etuosaa ja takaosaa nayttavammaksi ja jopa liian lyhytta selkaa venyneemmaksi. Etujalat jotka ovat mallia east-west on vaikea huomata kun karvat peittavat tassut, vielapa siksi etta tassuissakin pidetaan pitkat karvat , vaikka rotumaaritelma sanoo etta niissa tulee karvan olla lyhytta. Mielestani kasvattaja on avain asemassa pitamalla kiinni rotumaaritelman mukaisesta turkista. Saksien kaytolla ei rodussa pideta ylla rotumaaritelman mukaisia turkinlaatuja, kuten ei varikaan saada purkeista. Uskoisin etta suurin osa kasvattajista ei ehdottomasti halua puuvillan suuntaa menna ja jo uudistetturotumaarilmammekin antaa meille mahdollisuuden pitaa silkkiterrierit silkkiterrierina ja se 22 senttimetrifonia toivottavasti pikkuhiljaa poistuu. Silkkista Joulua kaikille Irma ja Inari | |
| | | Doris
Number of posts : 45 Age : 30 Registration date : 2007-12-19
| Subject: Re: PMV-07 Stockholm-Sweden 15.-16.12.2007 /Tukholma Ruotsi Sun Dec 23 2007, 01:35 | |
| I'm so happy for Topy's well-earned win! Big congratulations to Irma, Terhi and Tintti but also to the handler Tanya! Virginia and Tanya, it was very nice to meet you and I will see you soon again! :D What a memorable trip! Thank you all for the great weekend! Mielenkiintoisen matkan lisäksi minut tekee iloiseksi Topyn todella ansaittu voitto ja tottakai mahtava matkaseura! Jos jotain reissua, niin ehdottomasti tätä voi kutsua ikimuistoiseksi niin näyttelyssä saavutettujen tulosten kuin itse matkan puolesta! Topy on lievästi sanottuna hurmaava pakkaus, liikkeessä draivia täynnä ja seistessäänkin niiin charmikas mies! Oli todella hienoa tavata Virginia ja Tanya, toivottavasti tapaamme pian uudestaan. Suuret onnittelut Terhille, Irmalle, Tintille ja handleri Tanyalle Topya unohtamatta! Hengissä ollaan , kiitos kaikille loistavasta viikonlopusta! | |
| | | Tanya
Number of posts : 281 Registration date : 2007-08-01
| Subject: Re: PMV-07 Stockholm-Sweden 15.-16.12.2007 /Tukholma Ruotsi Wed Jan 02 2008, 17:46 | |
| Doris thank you for your kind words, it was so lovely to meet you, there will be plenty more times that we will meet, lets hope it is for longer next time I have to agree with you Irma and Kristiina with regard to the lack of knowledge that some judges have and indeed breeders about the appearance of the Silkies, it is so refreshing when a judge, carries out their duties, with the Breed Standard in mind, paying attention to the all too important stipulations that there are about MOVEMENT, STRUCTURE, TEMPERAMENT and CHARACTERISTICS and not solely coat!!!!! Like wise it is also refreshing to see that there are breeders such as yourselves out there, that pay attention to the breed standard and have not lost sight of what is the most important aspects of this breed, to many have jumped on the band-wagon of 'trading on coat' and continue to do so whilst there are judges out there that have not, I should imagine attended proper breed seminars or indeed studied the breed standard long or hard enough to see the error of their ways. The english breed standard is not at all dis-similar to the FCI breed standard, both of which clear state that the coat should not be floor length, in fact the FCI standard goes into even more depth and is much clearer about this than the English, so to still see this happening in he ring is quite scary, there are obviously those out there that are unable to read properly! I quote the following extracts from both of the breed standards, clear as day I am sure you all will agree! English KC - states
"Length of coat 13 -15 cms (5 -6 inches) from behind ears to set of tail desirable. Legs, from knees and hocks to feet, free from long hair"
F CI - States (and in bold)
"The length of coat must not be so long as to impede the dog's action and should allow daylight to be seen under the dog. The front and rear feet to be free from long hair."
Everyone wants a stunning 'Silky Texture" coat with the perfect blue colour, but let's not forget the many other important breed specifications that make this breed what it is, many of which are shown to be disappearing, that only few that have a clear understanding of our breed and their history have managed to maintain. What is a dog with a perfect blue coat, if it cannot move " free and true without slackness" and what is a Silky with a perfect coat anyway, if it doesn't display "Terrier characteristics, embodying keen alertness, activity and soundness"A silky is a big dog in a little dogs body, full of energy, drive, "Terrier-like", bred to hunt out vermin and snakes, chase them, quickly and kill them! This temperament is what also helps determine the state of movement, and general appearance in the ring, whether standing or moving, this is what the judge wants to see, a dog with personality, action packed! I hope that as this breed progresses further that we will see the judges learning to understand our breed better seeing it for what it is, not putting up dogs with flamboyant coats, that perhaps are not constructed or move as well, with that passive appearance in the ring, but will correctly place the real terriers, that move around that ring as if they own, it with ' strong propelling power" with 'a mple flexibility', with "refined structure" and " sufficient substance to suggest ability to hunt and kill domestic rodents"This is why Topy to me is a fantastic example of what a Silky should be like, he has the BLUE SKIN which is not so prevalent any more in many lines, and the DARK BLUE ROOT, he may be lighter than others, but he is correct and naturally correct and still conforms to the breed standard where colour is concerned! He moves like a dream and is all one could ask for in a show man and a stud dog, his coat is not floor length neither is it particularly thick but then again, this is not what we are asked to present in the ring! He is everything that a Silky should be! I hope that in time other breeders that have lost sight of the important aspects will see this and appreciate this, and get over the coat being the aid that carries them. If the breed needs to progress this needs to be recognised, by both breeders and judges, don't be afraid to not have a long floor length flowing coat, because it is not the way a Silky is supposed to be, it is not and never was meant to be this way, given the tasks that they were bred for. Movement is a very difficult aspect to be able to bring through generations and only by careful valuation and planning to achieve the best you can, not many dogs/bitches are graced with the oustanding movement, that you will see from silkies such as Topy, this is something very special to Irma's and Norma's breeding, which should be guarded at all costs, as it takes a very long time to achieve this! Coat colour like-wise can not be achieved through one generation this too takes years upon years, several generations before you can even start to see the results of what you have set out to do. This is not written with the purpose of offending anyone, that is not the intention of all that I have written the truth, quoting how it is written in our breed standard, I am neither giving false or in-correct information it is there for all to read! I feel and believe that it is important to share these views with one another in order to allow this breed to progress and to help those that have only just entered our breed to understand what is expected of our breed, what is seen to be correct in the eyes of the kennel clubs, and what we must strive to achieve each and everyone of us. Best wishes | |
| | | Kristiina Teerikorpi
Number of posts : 457 Localisation : Moraga, California, U.S.A. Registration date : 2006-12-20
| Subject: Re: PMV-07 Stockholm-Sweden 15.-16.12.2007 /Tukholma Ruotsi Fri Jan 04 2008, 18:22 | |
| You are so RIGHT Tanya! Some breeders think or do not think what they are doing. It is too easy to ignore the breed standard and breed the silky terriers that pleases them self. It is very pity, because little by little we are loosing our breed and the purpose of silky terrier. It does not mean that, if we do not use our dogs to hunt the little rodents, that we have the rights to start making a NEW breed out of that and ignore the breed standard. The other important issue is the COLOUR!!!!!! Some people just ignore that and use the pore color dogs together and say that they will fix that the color in next generation, as one breeder told us couple of years ago. We just laughed to her and said yeah sure, we will want to see how you can do that! You can loose the color in one bad breeding in one generation, but getting the color back is more complicated. It is too easy to fix the color because you can by all kind of products from shows and internet, but remember that the color from the jar is illegal and cheating. Who this people thinks they are fooling???? The most them self and then the Judges and their friends and fellow competitors. Some breeders does not see the problem, even it is serious. How sad! Here is also AKC Silky Terrier standard. Silky Terrier Breed Standard Toy Group General AppearanceThe Silky Terrier is a true "toy terrier". He is moderately low set, slightly longer than tall, of refined bone structure, but of sufficient substance to suggest the ability to hunt and kill domestic rodents. His coat is silky in texture, parted from the stop to the tail and presents a well groomed but not sculptured appearance. His inquisitive nature and joy of life make him an ideal companion. Size, Proportion, SubstanceSize - Shoulder height from nine to ten inches. Deviation in either direction is undesirable. Proportion - The body is about one fifth longer than the dog's height at the withers. Substance - Lightly built with strong but rather fine bone. HeadThe head is strong, wedge-shaped, and moderately long. Expression piercingly keen, eyes small, dark, almond shaped with dark rims. Light eyes are a serious fault. Ears are small, V-shaped, set high and carried erect without any tendency to flare obliquely off the skull. Skull flat, and not too wide between the ears. The skull is slightly longer than the muzzle. Stop shallow. The nose is black. Teeth strong and well aligned, scissors bite. An undershot or overshot bite is a serious fault. Neck, Topline and BodyThe neck fits gracefully into sloping shoulders. It is medium long, fine, and to some degree crested. The topline is level. A topline showing a roach or dip is a serious fault. Chest medium wide and deep enough to extend down to the elbows. The body is moderately low set and about one fifth longer than the dog's height at the withers. The body is measured from the point of the shoulder (or forechest) to the rearmost projection of the upper thigh (or point of the buttocks). A body which is too short is a fault, as is a body which is too long. The tail is docked, set high and carried at twelve to two o'clock position. ForequartersWell laid back shoulders, together with proper angulation at the upper arm, set the forelegs nicely under the body. Forelegs are strong, straight and rather fine-boned. Feet small, catlike, round, compact. Pads are thick and springy while nails are strong and dark colored. White or flesh-colored nails are a fault. The feet point straight ahead, with no turning in or out. Dewclaws, if any, are removed. HindquartersThighs well muscled and strong, but not so developed as to appear heavy. Well angulated stifles with low hocks which are parallel when viewed from behind. Feet as in front. CoatStraight, single, glossy, silky in texture. On matured specimens the coat falls below and follows the body outline. It should not approach floor length. On the top of the head, the hair is so profuse as to form a topknot, but long hair on the face and ears is objectionable. The hair is parted on the head and down over the back to the root of the tail. The tail is well coated but devoid of plume. Legs should have short hair from the pastern and hock joints to the feet. The feet should not be obscured by the leg furnishings.Color
Blue and tan. The blue may be silver blue, pigeon blue or slate blue, the tan deep and rich. The blue extends from the base of the skull to the tip of the tail, down the forelegs to the elbows, and half way down the outside of the thighs. On the tail the blue should be very dark. Tan appears on muzzle and cheeks, around the base of the ears, on the legs and feet and around the vent. The topknot should be silver or fawn which is lighter than the tan points. GaitShould be free, light-footed, lively and straightforward. Hindquarters should have strong propelling power. Toeing in or out is to be faulted. TemperamentThe keenly alert air of the terrier is characteristic, with shyness or excessive nervousness to be faulted. The manner is quick, friendly, responsive. Approved October 10, 1989 Effective November 30, 1989 Kristiina The future belongs to those who believe in the beauty of their dreams. Eleanor Roosevelt | |
| | | Tanya
Number of posts : 281 Registration date : 2007-08-01
| Subject: Re: PMV-07 Stockholm-Sweden 15.-16.12.2007 /Tukholma Ruotsi Sat Jan 05 2008, 00:40 | |
| Great to hear from you again Kristiina, I hope you and your family had a lovely Christmas, and a fantastic New Year! It is very sad that people feel they have to go to such great lengths to win, that they would even go as far as to colour their dogs!!! That is actually letting the breed down and not to mention themselves. Actually if you think about it, this is very detrimental to our breed, not just showing! If people hide these problems of colour and pretend they are not there, they are allowing this to stay in the breed , if people think that it is okay to produce an amazing dog/bitch in the ring, because their structure, movement and personality are good, but the coat is the wrong colour and so needs WORK!?!?!?! doing on it! then obviously the dog/bitch is not conforming to the breed standard, what makes it more worrying is, will these people that do this, fool themselves into thinking that 'oh well we will just breed from this dog/bitch that has this colour problem anyway, because they are good in every other way and if the coats of the puppies that are show quality aren't the right colour we will just do the same with them as we have the dame or sire!' This really is dangerous territory as this is what will keep the colour problems in the breed, not good for the breed at all, this is what the real worry is and this kind of thing happens all over the world A good judge that knows his breed inside out and has had a lot of experience judging the breed, having seen lots of specimens, from all over the world, should without a shadow of a doubt be able to tell if a dog has been coloured or not, in our breed it is very easy to tell! I always remember a very experienced English Breeder, telling me about how you can tell if a Silkies coat has been dyed, 'if you take the ends of the coat and put it to the top of the coat (the root) and the coat colour is all the same colour all the way down, then you know it is not the true colour of the dog' You see like with human hair not every strand of hair is the same colour, and the older the hair (the hair at the ends of the coat) a different colour it will be, through every day ware and tare! block colour all over, only comes about if, colour has been added, because plain and simply natural hair isn't like that!!! Lighting at indoor shows is also a good way of identifying if dogs have been tampered with, for example, the lights at the NEC Birmingham (at Crufts), make a dogs coat, give off a ‘purple hue’ in the light, always interesting for anyone watching any breed around any ring there! The judge has to also remember that when silkies are born, they are born black and the colour breaks as they get older, obviously from the root, with the new hair growth. So if a judge is presented with a dog/bitch that is 2 years or younger and the whole colour is Slatey blue or silvery-grey, they should know that this is not natural. It takes up to an average of 4 years for a full length coat, without the black (even at the ends) to be present! Like wise as Silkies get older their colour also changes, they can go lighter. If a Silkies coat is always throughout it's life the same colour then you know it is wrong, it is always changing, all the time, just like human hair. I think it is important that first of all the judges need to be made more aware of what is going on and that indeed judges should have a lot of experience of, and indeed with this breed before they can judge . There are natural remedies that can help improve a dogs pigmentation, which in turn can help the coat, there is a product by Dorwest Herbs, called Nettle and Elderberry Extract, that you place in their food, completely natural, why when there are things such as this on the market, do people still feel the need to go too far and dye Colour like other things on a Silky can be corrected, but again I say, just as you have Kristiina, these things take a long, long time and CANNOT be corrected in ONE GENERATION, it is a long hard struggle to reach your end goal, but if you persist and are patient and wait and keep working at it through your breeding long term, then it will come out right in the end, there is the old saying, ‘Rome was not built in a day’ and this is how everyone must see the breeding programme you do noT achieve your goals and make everything alright in 'one day', it takes many, many years, but work hard, and you will get there, know your breed and be true too yourself, and that way there is no way you can faultered! Best wishes | |
| | | Tanya
Number of posts : 281 Registration date : 2007-08-01
| Subject: Re: PMV-07 Stockholm-Sweden 15.-16.12.2007 /Tukholma Ruotsi Wed Jan 16 2008, 12:34 | |
| Terhi I love that photo of Topy standing free at the Nordic Winners show, he looks stunning! Just goes to show when you look at a photo like that, that his body conformation is correct, and his top-line is level, he stands free, without hands pushing is back-side forward to level his top-line out, an old trick of the trade, but Topy No he doesn't need to have that done to him, great isn't it Terrance It is always so good to see Silkies standing free and holding their bodies well, thumbs up Terrance Hurry up and get here, I'm missing you, you know! Best wishes | |
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